From: bakoenin (bakoenin@yahoo.com)
Date: 13 Jan 2001 04:50 uur
hallo, ken je dit ook in het nederlands vertalen
zodat ik het ook beter begrijp ?
bakoenin.
--- Sikes <sikes@squat.net> wrote:
> HAI
>
> I agree with pim for the following reasons:
>
> the squatters movement is not some kind of
> housingproject for people with
> a political hobby but attempts broad social change.
> nationalism of any
> kind is deeply reactionary and should therefore not
> be fostered in any of
> the movements mediums also not on this list.
>
> The fact that some people do not speak more than one
> or two languages is
> indeed regretable and can be helped. a serious
> internationalist should
> attempt to learn as many languages as possible!
> nevertheless mono or
> duoglotty (greek!) should not stand in the way of
> common goals.
>
> although i can speak and write dutch (and some more
> languages) i will post
> to this list in english from now on. I think that
> most dutch people and
> most non dutch internationalists subscribed to this
> list can understand
> english. If there is really somebody that does not I
> suggest to
>
> >'Buy yourself a dictionary. It will probably take
> only one month to
> > be able to understand most of this language if you
> have got some
> > brain.'
>
> furthermore i regard the squatters international
> mailing list as the wrong
> approach because information on that list will be
> quite limited seen the
> fact that translation means extra work.
>
> I DO NOT HAVE MY MOTHERS TONGUE, I HAVE MY OWN!
> THE NETHERLANDS ONLY EXIST IN CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA
> AND THE HEADS OF ITS
> VICTIMS!
> THE BORDERS ARE NOT BETWEEN NATIONS BUT BETWEEN RICH
> AND POOR
>
> we are the world
>
> kizziz
>
> IAH
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Pim wrote:
>
> > Quotes:
> > 'Buy yourself a dictionary. It will probably take
> only one month to
> > be able to understand most of this language if you
> have got some
> > brain.'
> >
> > 'Dear New Babylonians,
> > How do you imagine to live in this city, with or
> without vrijplaats,
> > when you don't spend a little time and effort in
> learning the
> > language of the people you're going to live with?'
> >
> > 'If you don't speak my language you might be able
> to live with me -
> > but you'll never get really close.'
> >
> > * vinden jullie jezelf niet erg arrogant om zo bot
> te gaan eisen dat
> > iedereen die geen nederlands spreekt maar een
> woordenboek moet kopen
> > of het in een maand of twee maar moet leren? Leren
> jullie dan met een
> > wordenboek in twee maanden maar Spaans of Pools.
> Weet je hoe duur
> > talencursussen zijn? En het commentaar van S. over
> vergaderingen in
> > 'pidgin-English' vind ik ook vrij lomp,
> niet-nederlands sprekende
> > krakers zijn er al meer en worden nog vaak genoeg
> buiten
> > vergaderingen gehouden en/of zitten erbij zonder
> vertaling, trouwens
> > dat 'goede engels' van nederlanders valt ook nog
> wel eens tegen en is
> > meestal een soort 'neder-amerikaans' van de
> teevee.
> > Is het zo moeilijk om een korte samenvatting van
> je email in het
> > engels erbij te zetten? Misschien moeten we anders
> maar
> > talencursussen organiseren, nederlands oefenen n
> engels (iets wat met
> > bij Cineak wou doen meen ik), tot nu toe moeten
> mensen het op school
> > leren of via vrienden of zo.
> > Moet er binnen de kraakscene dan maar een
> inburgeringscontract komen
> > met wachtlijsten en een dilpoma na behalen op te
> halen in de
> > Vrankrijk?
> > Sommige opmerkingen hierboven doen denken aan
> politieke diskussies
> > over 'goede' en 'slechte' allochtonen die zich wel
> of niet willen
> > aanpassen. Ik hoopte dat de kraaksien daar een
> beetje boven zou
> > staan, maar misschien vergis ik me.
> >
> > * english summary:
> > I complain about the feeling of arrogance that
> these reactions give
> > me, which reminds me of the discussion in Dutch
> media about 'good'
> > and 'bad' immigrants who adapt and assimilate and
> the ones who
> > 'refuse' to become totally Dutch.
> > As far as i know language courses are expensive,
> you do not learn
> > dutch in two months with a dictionary and
> misunderstandings at
> > meetings where people do speak (a bit of) english
> are also due to the
> > bad english a lot of dutch people speak
> ('tv-english'). I ask people
> > for english summaries with important email
> messages, and wonder if
> > language lessons (like talking practice) can't be
> given around the
> > squatting scene to help one another. Otherwise if
> people stick with
> > the ideas in the quotes above I think we will see
> the squatting scene
> > fall apart soon.
> >
> > P.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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