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Afghan prisoners beaten to death at US military interrogation base
by damnbutter Fri, Mar 7 2003, 3:14pm
Two prisoners who died while being held for interrogation at the US military
base in Afghanistan had apparently been beaten, according to a military
pathologist's report. A criminal investigation is now under way into the
deaths which have both been classified as homicides.
The following report is carried in The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,909294,00.html
Afghan prisoners beaten to death at US military interrogation base
'Blunt force injuries' cited in murder ruling
Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 7, 2003
The Guardian
Two prisoners who died while being held for interrogation at the US military
base in Afghanistan had apparently been beaten, according to a military
pathologist's report. A criminal investigation is now under way into the
deaths which have both been classified as homicides.
The deaths have led to calls for an inquiry into what interrogation
techniques are being used at the base where it is believed the al-Qaida
leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is now also being held. Former prisoners at
the base claim that detainees are chained to the ceiling, shackled so
tightly that the blood flow stops, kept naked and hooded and kicked to keep
them awake for days on end.
The two men, both Afghans, died last December at the US forces base in
Bagram, north of Kabul, where prisoners have been held for questioning. The
autopsies found they had suffered "blunt force injuries" and classified both
deaths as homicides.
A spokesman for the Pentagon said yesterday it was not possible to discuss
the details of the case because of the proceeding investigation. If the
investigation finds that the prisoners had been unlawfully killed during
interrogation, it could lead to both civil and military prosecutions. He
added that it was not clear whether only US personnel had had access to the
men.
One of the dead prisoners, known only as Dilawar, died as a result of "blunt
force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease",
according to the death certificate signed by Major Elizabeth Rouse, a
pathologist with the Washington-based Armed Forces Institute of Pathology,
which operates under the auspices of the defence department. The dead man
was aged 22 and was a farmer and part-time taxi-driver. He was said to have
had an advanced heart condition and blocked arteries.
Chris Kelly, a spokesman for the institute, said yesterday that their
pathologists were involved in all cases on military bases where there were
unusual or suspicious deaths. He was not aware of any other homicides of
prisoners held since September 11. He said that the definition of homicide
was "death resulting from the intentional or grossly reckless behaviour of
another person or persons" but could also encompass "self-defence or
justifiable killings".
The death certificates for the men have four boxes on them giving choices of
"natural, accident, suicide, homicide". The Pentagon said yesterday that the
choice of "homicide" did not necessarily mean that the dead person had been
unlawfully killed. There was no box which would indicate that a pathologist
was uncertain how a person had died.
It is believed that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, described as the number three in
al-Qaida, is being interrogated at Bagram. He is said to have started
providing information about the possible whereabouts of Osama bin Laden whom
he is said to have met in Pakistan last month. Most al-Qaida suspects are
being held outside the US which means that they are not entitled to access
to the US judicial system.
Two former prisoners at the base, Abdul Jabar and Hakkim Shah, told the New
York Times this week that they recalled seeing Dilawar at Bagram. They said
that they had been kept naked, hooded and shackled and were deprived of
sleep for days on end. Mr Shah said that American guards kicked him to stop
him falling asleep and that on one occasion he had been kicked by a woman
interrogator, while her male colleague held him in a kneeling position.
The commander of the coalition forces in Afghanistan, General Daniel
McNeill, said that prisoners were made to stand for long periods but he
denied that they were chained to the ceiling. "Our interrogation techniques
are adapted," he said.
"They are in accordance with what is generally accepted as interrogation
techniques, and if incidental to the due course of this investigation, we
find things that need to be changed, we will certainly change them."
In January, in his state of the union address, President George Bush
announced that "3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many
countries" and "many others have met a different fate" and "are no longer a
problem to the United States".
The other death being investigated is that of Mullah Habibullah, the brother
of a former Taliban commander. His death certificate indicates that he died
of a pulmonary embolism, or a blood clot in the lung.
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COMMENTS
Disgusting, God help them.....
by Anonymous Fri, Mar 7 2003, 6:12pm
Independent
by FourWinds Fri, Mar 7 2003, 9:43pm
The Independent also carried the story
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=384604
Shocking!
by Paddy X Fri, Mar 7 2003, 11:40pm
That Anglo-American Imperialism would beat prisoners to death, this is
really shocking news. Who would ever have thought they'd do that.
$
by Seanin Sat, Mar 8 2003, 4:36am
This is worrying news for anyone concerend about human rights.
However, I wouldn't go so far as to say "God help them". They would have no
qualms about slitting someone's throat if they were in the wrong place at
the wrong time.
Humane treatment yes, sympathy no.
innocent until proven guilty?
by anna Sat, Mar 8 2003, 10:44am
"They would have no qualms about slitting someone's throat if they were in
the wrong place at the wrong time."
Maybe you've missed that they were being held there for interrogation. Who
are you to judge them?
Are all dark-skinned muslims potential murderers in your opinion?
Don't forget Irelands part
by James McKenna Sat, Mar 8 2003, 8:42pm
Our own brave soldiers are part of the US Central Command that is ordering
this torture and indeed they sleep in the same compound where the torture
takes place during the day. Can they hear the screams? Are they guilty of
complicity in torture?
To Anna
by Seanin Sun, Mar 9 2003, 1:05am
They're not prisoners in any legal sense. They have to be held securely
because they're dangerous.
It's naive to think that the natural "innocent until proven guilty"
philosophy can be used for them. It's also naive to think that there could
possibly be a case of mistaken identity.
US torture is always torture
by James McKenna Sun, Mar 9 2003, 11:53am
The US says they are not Prisoners so they are not entitled to protection
under the law. Do Americans really believe that? What utter and absolute
lies they tell in the most brazen of manners .
People of intellect who use their mind to justify torture and murder are
also complicit in the comittal of those offences. Like trying to manipulte
public opinion to accept torture.
And if there turns out to one or two in every thousand that are "guilty" of
Anti-US imperialst thoughts, then is it ok to torture them? Who is next, if
this is to be the new international code?
This constant middle class liberal naiviety on indymedia is simply amazing
by ignoramous hater Sun, Mar 9 2003, 8:59pm
unfortunately the poor peoples in many third world countries oppressed by
the USA dont have this luxory. Are some indymedia readers really suprised
the USA is torturing and beating prisoners to death. They have been training
the armies of third world dictators to do this to their populations for
years in the infamous School of The Americas and other US bases. This is
documented and they dont even bother to deny this anymore.
The USA military and CIA is evil and fascist
by CIA killa Sun, Mar 9 2003, 9:14pm
The USA military and CIA is evil and fascist and nobody should be suprised
at all that they are torturing and killing defensless prisoners. The Nazis
also specialised in this, ever hear of the gestapo?
RESIST
by JESUS Sun, Mar 16 2003, 10:47pm
RESIST RESIST RESIST
oh MY GOD!!!
by Sammy Tue, Mar 18 2003, 5:45pm
www.piggity_wiggity@hotmail.com
why do they destroy our peace?? killing 2 men has cross the line!peace rally
at washington on the 22
What the hell is wrong with this country and the people in it?
by TA Wed, Mar 19 2003, 11:00pm
We're truly lost as a nation. The way we justify the things we do is
appalling! For years we debated if birthing a fully developed healthy baby
all the way out of the womb excluding the head and sucking it's brains out
was wrong. Funnier yet, we debated if the baby was alive "because its head
never came out".
What kind of illogical, sadistic, self centered country have we become? Why
have the majority of people cheered this butchery on with the prisoners
(that is what they are)? We justify everything to fit our own selfish ends
and ignore the dishonor or repercussions our actions bring to ourselves and
our victims.
Let me clue some of you in, it doesn't matter what others would do to us.
Our actions define who we as a people are. If we resort to these tactics our
country will inevtably become what we feel the dictatorships of the world
are, utterly oppressive. Keep supporting this nonsense and the attack on our
civil rights. In no time flat we'll wake up wondering where our kids,
parents, and friends are because the government decided their ideas or
beliefs made them potential terrorists. Don't believe it can happen read the
Patriot Act and the soon to be Patriot II at and it clearly spells it out.
They call them enemy combatants and your US citizenship can be revoked if
they label you as such.
US citizens need to lose the deparavity in themselves soon or we won't
recognize the country we live in over the next few years.
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